Wednesday, March 30, 2011
Wk. 4 Option #7: Poetry Dissection #2
Prompt:
Read the following poem and make connections to Secret Life of Bees.
Why some people be mad at me sometimes
Lucille Clifton
they ask me to remember
but they want me to remember
their memories
and i keep on remembering
mine.
Response Requirement:
Dissect this poem and apply it to Lily’s life.
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Lily has a bleary memory of the day her mom dying. She only remembers her father and mother arguing while she picks up a gun. She believes she killed her mom but the memory is still blury. Lily and Rosaleen made up lies to cover up their identities and to stay in the Boatwright's house. Lily is forced to remember her lies and the life she is lying about. She also has to avoid slipping out the truth, while trying to get answers of Deboarah and how someone else would feel in her position.
ReplyDeleteThis poem is about how people interact with one another. When people like T-Ray ask people like Lily to remember or talk about the past, they are also bolstering their own memory of it, or possibly denying the facts. “Goddamn it, you were four years old! You don’t know what you remember!” If the person doesn’t have a connection to the question, most people won’t ask it. Also, when people like the Boatwright sisters talk to Lily, she may connect the question to her own life, without the question being intended to relate to her life. “My mother couldn’t have learned the roach trick from May, could she?”
ReplyDeletethey ask me to remember
ReplyDeletebut they want me to remember
their memories
and i keep on remembering
mine.
This poem relates to Lily's life immensly because it is basiclly related to her mother. She tries to find the real reason on what happened by what happened to her mom by asking T.Ray but he always responds the same way bringing back her memories of her being the murderer, the one she longed for the most was killed by her own hands. SHe wants to find the truth on what happens so she asks August on what happened when she was here at Tiburon but all she rememebered was that she was the one who killed her. So this poem thatwas craeted is like a haunting song that follows Lily around no matter what the situation is.
She can not forget about her mother, and she is keep thinking about her, and wants to know why her mother wanted to leave her, and is it true that she killed her mother.
ReplyDelete"they ask me to remember, but they want me to remember"- This quote relates to Lily's main questions by everyone when they confront her about what happend the night her mother died. They ask Lily to remember what happend after she picked up the gun, all Lily remembers is picking it up and not knowing why, then the sound of the gun going off. They want Lily to remmeber because they want her to figure out what happend by herself. Everyone thinks this will effect her less, rather than upsetting her by having her hear the news from someone else.
ReplyDelete"...their memories, and I keep on remembering, mine." Everyone, especially T-Ray, are telling Lily what happend to her mom, Deborah, but Lily won't listen to them. For example, T-Ray told Lily about his memory of Deborah coming back to only get her stuff, not Lily. Lily won't believe his memory but wants her own. She remmebers her mother packing her suitcase and rushing, talking to Lily , saying to "hurry!". This means she was bringing Lily with her, if she had the chance.
This relates to Lily in many ways. In the book, T-Ray tells Lily lies about her mother and tells her to remember the bad stuff, the lies about her. She apparently was going to leave Lily and T-Ray and was packing her stuff and never coming back for Lily.However, like this poem, Lily remembers the good traits the non lies about her mother. She remembers her true gentle self, and how much she loved Lily. Lily remembers her memories, not the ones of T-Ray.
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Language Arts, Period 7
April 7, 2011
Week 4, Option 7
Why some people be mad at me sometimes
-Lucille Clifton
they ask me to remember
but they want me to remember
their memories
and i keep on remembering
mine.
This poem is about people around the author who are upset with the author because she has a hard time getting past her own memories and seeing how other people remember things around her. This poem relates to Lily’s life because people ask what happened to her mom. People want Lily to believe what they think is correct about how her mother died and what they believe “actually” happened. But, the truth is what really happened to her mother has haunted Lily all these years. Many people don’t realize how Lily was involved with her mother’s death. But, she accidentally did kill her mother and these memories are all that she can remember and she will not believe any other story. People may get upset with her because she insists on finding out more of the truth about her mother and learning why she was leaving the night she died. They want her to just “remember” that her mother died, when Lily has other memories about that night and knows there is more to the story. Lily also knows T. Ray was not telling her the truth about when her mother died and he wants her to “remember” only what he said that night. But as she says on page 233, “I didn’t believe T. Ray when he told me that. I know she never would’ve left me like that. I wanted to find out about her and prove how wrong he was.” Lily wanted to find out the truth about these memories she’s been living with. She doesn’t want to remember T. Ray’s and other people’s memories of her mother.
This poem relates to Lilies life because over her years of living she has collected many memories, and people are always telling her to remember the importances in life, but she thinks that it is more important to remember her own memories and follow them to. Lily is one of those girls that is not a follower, instead she is a very confident girl that does things her own way.
ReplyDeleteThis poem by Lucille Clifton can be directly applied to Lily's life. In this case, her "memories" are about her mother, Deborah. When Lily was a little girl, her mother was at a rough stage. From what Lily's child mind can remember, she was fighting with T. Ray, and she had a gun. She dropped it, and Lily wanted to help her by giving it to her. All she can remember is a loud sound, and her mother was gone. What August Boatwright told Lily was that her mother was very depressed when Lily was a small child. Deborah had a husband and a child she didn't want. She was planning on staying with the Boatwrights. When she was going to leave Lily with T. Ray, an argument did break out, and Lily accidentally shot her mother with the gun. Lily, for all this time, had thought that she was a loving, kind mother, whose death was a tragic accident. But in all honesty, Deborah was abandoning her child with her deranged husband and setting off without them. However, Lily is having a tough time letting go of her old memories and taking in these new ones. She was mislead as a child and can only remember the warped memories of a child. August and T. Ray both present her with news. August told her the real story of her mother, and T. Ray told Lily that yes, she did kill her own mother. Change is hard for everyone. "They ask me to remember...their memories and I keep on remembering mine." Lily has held onto these memories since she was a small child, and now, people are asking her to remember different ones.
ReplyDeleteThis poem Why some people be mad at me sometimes
ReplyDeleteby Lucille Clifton is related to Lily's life and feelings. The poem is alot like what she has to deal with in the past with her father. T-Ray wants Lily to remember what he tells her about her mother. His memories of what happened between him and Deborah, or what he thnks had happened. He wants Lily to remember Deborah hating Lily and wanting to leave her. Lily remembers her memories, how she was cleanng the closest not packing her bag to leave Lily. She keeps remembering bad memories to, like when she killed her mother on accident, but T-Ray dosent want her to remember the good things about her mother, only bad things that make Lily feel bad about herself. T-Ray wants Lily to think she was the one who pushed away her mother.
“They ask me to remember but they want me to remember their memories and I keep on remembering mine.” This short poem can relate to Lily’s life. This relates to Lily’s life by how it’s saying that she is stuck with the memories of her. I feel like this relates to her mom because she is always remembering that day when her mom came back home to pack her suitcase and Lily shot her. Lily has to face going into the Boatwright sister’s house and making up lies. Its hard for Lily inside because the sisters are such nice people and she has to lie to them. She needs to make sure she keeps her lies together and remember the memories she said to them when she first got there. This poem in my opinion is stating that Lily is so concerned about her past and needs to find out her past and just let that big weight off her shoulder rise up. Lily is focused on her and that’s what she came to Tiburon for. She is determined she says somewhere in the novel, “It’s like I belong here,” Lily feels that she was supposed to be at the sisters house from the beginning. She can sense something important between her and the Calendar sisters. This short poem can relate to how Lily feels that she came for one reason. To find out about her mother Deborah Owens and she will do anything to make that happen!
ReplyDeletethey ask me to remember
ReplyDeletebut they want me to remember
their memories
and i keep on remembering
mine.
In the novel, The Secret Life of Bees, Lily tries to remember anything she can about the night of the accident. She is trying to remember anything about her mother. She tries to remember what Deborah ad T. Ray were fighting about she tries to remember what exactly happened but she can’t. All Lily can remember is T. Ray saying, “its all your fault,” and punishing her all the time. Lily tried to get T. Ray to tell her anything to help her remember, but he was of no use at all. Lily tries to remember anything about Deborah that she can but al she can remember is her memories with T. Ray.
This poem is very much like Lily's life. T. Ray is telling Lily to believe what he is saying about her mom. Lily doesn't want to believe some of it. The part where it says they want me to remember their memories is like Lily too. This is like Lily to because she knows what she knows. Everyone is telling her what they remember about her mom. No matter what everyone says she always remembers her own memories,
ReplyDeleteThe poem, “Why Some People Be Mad At Me Sometimes” by Lucille Clifton applies to Lily's life. In order for Lily and Rosaleen not to be caught, they fake their identities when questioned by the Boatwrights. However, it is Lily's plan to have a phony identity, and since Rosaleen is traveling with Lily, she decides to follow in Lily's path and create an artificial identity as well. Lily sticks to her fake identity, trying to muster up the foggy memory of her fake identity when questioned multiple times by citizens of Tiburon. The fourth and fifth lines of Lucille's poem represent Lily's vague memory of the night her mother died. Unknown whether or not she killed her mother, the event appears in Lily's nightmares and has haunted her for as long as she can remember. She remembers her mother's death involved a gun, which she picked up, but she is uncertain whether she shot the gun or it went off. Filled by the uncertainty of whether or not Deborah had left Lily and T. Ray, she also tries to uncover the truth of Deborah without revealing her true identity to the Boatwrights. The first three lines of Lucille's poem relate to Lily's life because the Boatwrights ask Lily to recall certain events that she experienced, however, they aren't actually Lily's memories. It was the Boatwrights memory, but Lily just happened to be present at the event.
ReplyDeleteThe poem, they ask me to remember but they want me to remember their memories and i keep on remembering mine," relates to Lily`s life in many ways. One would include the fact that T-Ray is trying to convince Lilly on one fact about her mothers death while Lily want to believe another. He tells her that her mother was leaving her and that she never loved her. But Lily does not believe her mother would leave her and that her mother cared about her.
ReplyDeleteLily has a bleary memory of the day her mom dying. She only remembers her father and mother arguing while she picks up a gun. She believes she killed her mom but the memory is still blury. Lily and Rosaleen made up lies to cover up their identities and to stay in the Boatwright's house. Lily is forced to remember her lies and the life she is lying about. She also has to avoid slipping out the truth, while trying to get answers of Deboarah and how someone else would feel in her position.
ReplyDeleteLily has a bad memory of the day her mom dying. She was little and didn't know very much. i don't even remember things that i did at 4! She only really remembers her and t - ray having a really big fight and yelling and scream. plus she didn't even know what a gun was! Her memories are bad and she wants knew ones with august and the rest of the family.
ReplyDeleteThe poem by Lucille Clifton means that people have different views and perspectives on things. The poem starts out by her saying, “they ask me to remember” but it is more of a command to change her ways of thinking, rather than a question. When she says “but they want me to remember their memories” they are trying to change her memories to be their views. When she says “and I keep remembering mine”, she sees her memories as being different, so it can be confusing.
ReplyDeleteThis poem relates to Lily’s life because T.Ray is trying to make Lily remember her mother differently than she does herself. The purpose of T.Ray commanding her thinking is to make her feel bad so he has control over her. This confused Lily and made her question what was the truth about her mother because she had her own memories that were conflicting with the one that she was being told. This partially forced her to run away because this confusion made her want to learn the truth.
when i read this poem the first thing i thought of was lilly, lilly, lilly, even before i read the blog requirments.this poem is mostly based on lilly's life all about memories never thought about the future. all the memories that are stated in the poem is most likely the worst memory that lilly would live through out here entire life. the day she was a very little todler, when t-ray and deberah where fighting, and when lilly picked up the gun and shot her mother and was killed. the part of the peom where it says "they keep wanting me to remeber." this doesnt really alike with lilly because through out the whole book she tries her best to get away from her memories the day the inciddent took place.
ReplyDeleteLily's dad told her that her mother was running away and that she killed her. This is what T-Ray tells her to remember but all Lily can remember is a foggy memory of cleaning out the closet, a fight between T-Ray and Deborah. Deborah's angry face as she storms towards T-Ray after he grabs her. Then the gun on the floor, reaching to pick it up and noise, noise every where. Then deathly silence. She doesn't remember what T-Ray wants her to remember. She remembers what she wants to remember. Her own memories not his, not anybody else's . Hers.
ReplyDeleteLily only remembers what she thinks happened or wants to think happened of how her mom died. While I think she knows how she died, she tried to avoid the truth till she asks T-Ray.
ReplyDeleteThey ask me to remember
ReplyDeleteT.ray asks Lily to remember what happened that day her mother died.
They asked me to remember
They insisted to know what she remembered from that dreaded day
Their memories
All of the other peoples memories about Deborah
And I keep on remembering
She keeps remembering what she know of her mother
Mine
Will try and believe the good things she thought about her mother
For some reason lily has this wierd memory of her killing her mom. To me it is sad but, she still cant tell if she actually killed her mom or she is making the whole thing up. After she realizes that her and rosaleen cant take it any more. they decide to run away from all that they knew to cover up anything. Lily is insearch of any signs or tracks of her mother and rosaleen beat up a cop sooo she is just trying to get away from there. She does meet a great family and lets her stay with them until they get to their aunts house (or soo they say)
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